Fair play to them. When you think Pride is supposed to be about an oppressed group of people refusing to hide or be ashamed of themselves, asserting their right to be themselves in public, it does seem wrong for the Gay Village to be walled off, out of reach to all but the “Queer Elite”. “Too poor to be gay,” bemoaned one of the protestors’ banners. I guess this tells you something about the extent to which sexual liberation can be acheived under capitalism; no sooner has homosexuality ceased to be a taboo than it is commodified, a lifestyle choice that one can by into, and image that one has to fit.
One could say similar things about the changing place of women in society, from locked away at home to plastered onto every billboard. That said, I’d much rather be a woman or a homosexual today than fifty years ago.
Personally, beyond the profiteering what really offended me about Manchester Pride was that the enormous float in the lead was that of, wait for it, the police. I’m sure to a lot of people this was a sign of how far queer liberation has already come, to the point where even the forces of order have been won over. But I couldn’t help thinking of the statue, two streets over, of Alan Turing, a scientist whose work so inspired me at uni (first time around) that he’s beyond Einstein in my eyes, and a man who was hounded to death by the state in its attempts to “cure” him of his “condition” – a condition for which many of his contemporaries were thrown in prison.


you know having read about 1/3 of the comments on shiraz socialist to david broders thing i am seriously considering giving up the blogosphere. it jsut seems an entirely destructive place.
plus, david broders only 19! fecking hell. same age as me, i cant imagine being hounded like he is
and johng is younger than me, yikes
That thread (link) just gets nastier the further down you go, descending into a witchhunt session of “John G raped and murdered my wife and made me lose my memory, making for a superb if somewhat contrived film starring half the cast of the Matrix and directed by the guy who went on to do Batman!“, err I mean “John G refuses to write us a long essay proving that he is not an anti-Semite, which unwillingness proves that he is an anti-Semite, indeed the whole SWP are only pretending to be left-wing as an excuse to kill all the Jews!“. Sickening indeed.
You just have to rise above it – not something I’ve always done successfully, I admit, but otherwise that way lies bitterness and irrelevance.
aye it gets horrible, by the end i was was just skimming through the accusations of “antisemitic scum” and all of johng’s defending posts, which he does pretty well all things considering.
im not sure how old he is, cos he someone suggests hes at sixth form, but then later on john g says “when i was at university” so who knows eh?
What the fuck is this about: David Broder is more than capable of defending himself, which he does at “Shiraz Socialist” (a site that invited him to give his comments): John ‘G’ is a post-grad, far from “youth”-full SWP hack. He is, also, imho, a political anti-semite.
Sigh, you see the floodgates you’ve opened, red?
1/ I don’t particularly intend to defend David Broder. He’s right about Iran, obviously, but as I think I’ve made clear, I find the whole “debate” a pretty sickening example of what all of us on the far left need to avoid. I hereby decline to pick a side.
2/ That’s bullshit name-calling that intimidates critics of zionism and, no less disgracefully, provides an alibi to genuine antisemites.
3/ No fucking way is that thread spilling over onto my blog! I have a moderation queue and I’m not afraid to delete from it.
On a completely different tangent to the original post (in which I mentioned Alan Turing), another of the heroes of information science popped up on another of my favourite blogs this morning: http://xkcd.com/468/
After one of our comrades was arrested for pelting the Christian Voice picket with eggs during a particularly hateful speech of comparing “the gays” to Hitler and abominations on society going straight to hell, videos have been uploaded which document the similar oppressive zeal which the Manchester Profit (whoops, I mean P/pride), organisers have for censorship and PR-spin at every turn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnooy749a-4
Also, the Pride Is A Protest – Manchester group created some colourful culture-jamming at the official balloon launch event outside the Town Hall, which was subsequently ignored by all of the mainstream media present:
http://www.viduk.com/v101
More info, videos and open meeting details about the future of Manchester P/pride to be posted on our Facebook group:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14749493793
Thanks for the support, hopefully 2009 will bring community-run events and not another GayBeerFest celebrating exploitation NOT liberation…
Since attending I’ve just read about the Stonewall riots, which the Pride marches commemorate. I see now why you’re angry.
It’s a very similar story, apparently, with the Notting Hill Carnival http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=15764
Also, yeah, I heard about the Christian Voice lot, well done for giving them a hard time. We spent an the better part of an hour running round town with our SWP stall to give the fascist NF a counter-protest but apparently this year they’ve finally given up.
sorry about that dave, twas foolish of me
nae worry comrade, where would this blog be without its devoted 1%?